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clinton also expected to attend. no word yet if president obama will fly with presidents obama and bush. >>> weighing on on where he ranks of towering figures the last 100 years. take a listen. >> i think he and gandhi and in america martin luther king are in a category by themselves. gandhi and king were martyred. but the agonizing ordeal of nelson mandela for 27 years and how he came out a better man than when he went in captured the imagination of people as nothing else had. his enduring power is that he showed us that there is true freedom in forgiveness. >>> joining me now, civil rights leader and president of the rainbow push coalition, reverend jesse jackson. awfully glad to speak with you. you listened to president clinton. do you agree he belongs in the statues of history with gandhi, martin luther king jr. if not maybe at the top of the list? >> external persecution and the wil will, dignity. they were driven by their suffering. you define them by what they did with the pain. that is to say when mr. mandela chose to use his pain for transformation. to use his pain for reconcil
of conservatives say george w. bush has a better approval rating than barack obama, even, right? and yet the -- it's conservatives and republicans who are invoking him as, you know, the best dig they can get in at obama is comparing him to george w. bush. it does show how far the republican party has drifted in various directions, mind you. not in one direction. but away from the bush years. and they are still trying to distance themselves from that. >> and i mean, brian, it's fascinating. we have had mission accomplished. we have had things being called obama's katrina. it literally does feel like -- insinuating things -- his iraq. are we literally going to have the right replay the entirety of the bush presidency, but as a way to attack barack obama? >> well, i think that any of bush's liabilities are sort of fair game. if you're republican. i mean, if you think about it this way, one way -- there are two ways to rehabilitate your image after you've -- you've you've damaged with it with iraq or katrina. one is do hard work oh of repairing your reputation by governing well again. the other is to
, president obama on a plane with george w. bush and laura bush. president obama will be speaking right before the president of brazil with whom there's been, i would say, frosty relations given the fact we've been tapping her cell phone. >> he may know what she's going to say. >> very good. president castro will be speaking. into this mix we throw ted cruz. given all of that, i wanted to get your thoughts on president obama spoke the day nelson mandela passed away. from your experience with him as a candidate and through the beginning of his presidency, mandela was a larger than life figure for all of us but especially for this president there's a resonance there i'd love to get your thoughts on. >> i'm reminded -- when i heard the news i was reminded in august 2006, i had the opportunity on a trip through africa with then senator obama. we spent half a day on robben island where nelson mandela spent 18 years of his life in a cell. i remember walking into that cell. i remember walking around the grounds. i remember going to the limestone quarries where they were made to basically crush rock t
catholics. they say obama insults catholics in vatican embassy shutdown. jeb bush said hopefully it's not retribution for catholics opposing health care. they called it just the latest anti-rel anti-religious dispute. weakening america as a global leader. sounds terrible. he's closing the embassy to the vatican. true or false? he's not closing the embassy. he's moving it closer. moving it to the same compound as the same embassy as italy. the new location is also closer to the actual vatican than the old one is, so no, the president is not closing the vatican embassy. that's false and crazy, and the whole idea of moving it was the bush administration's idea before the obama administration carried it out, but that doesn't carry well on world net daily or presumably with jeb bush. take care, jeb bush, maybe it is too crazy to be true, and you should take it easy. and today, the craziest story was the dead mice being parasuited into guam to combat snakes. the story says at anderson air force base, in guam, they want to control the street snakes because brown tree snakes are not native,
and crazy, and the whole idea of moving it was the bush administration's idea before the obama administration carried it out, but that doesn't carry well on world net daily or presumably with jeb bush. take care, jeb bush, maybe it is too crazy to be true, and you should take it easy. and today, the craziest story was the dead mice being parasuited into guam to combat snakes. the story says at anderson air force base, in guam, they want to control the street snakes because brown tree snakes are not native, there's no natural predator to keep them in check. turns out the snakes are vulnerable to acetminphene. so the government has been dropping thousands of dead mice loaded with tylenol into the trees in guam to be poisonous debate for the snakes. the person running the program is a director of supervisory wildlife biology. his name is dan vice. actually, this story is true. >> u.s. department of agriculture assisted state director wildlife biologist dan vice explains the process that is proving successful at controlling the ground tree snake population. >> what we're going to b
bill clinton became president and george bush became president and president obama took office, south africa had become a mature democracy or a new democracy, if you will. so the relationship certainly emerged. but i think what you saw with nelson mandela is he was a principled friend. so he was one who was not unwilling to criticize any nation or any individual. we're even learning now that he criticized his own successor as president of the republic of south africa. so he was a giant. >> michael, i want to ask you quickly about this nbcnews.com article that a lot of folks may not be aware of, this part of the article. mandela and other anc officials remained on the terror watch list even as president bush welcomed mandela to the white house back in 1990 because of what was described as a bureaucratic snafu. their names were kept on the list until 2008. >> yeah. >> why is that characterization of nelson mandela -- of him being a terrorist -- why is that characterization itself complicated? >> i think it's less a characterization of the man and more of the association of the man with
. >> if barack obama is fidel castro, george bush mufb comb e combin combined. george bush's attorney general was ready to resign because he ordered all of the nsa surveillance done without a court order. that's a president acting in a unilateral way. when mccain passed in 2005 the anti-torture act, president bush signed a statement saying this. i don't have to comply with the law. president bush fired nine u.s. attorneys, some of which, one of which was not prosecuting a bogus voting fraud case. if you look at the complaints against obama and the delay with the immigration case and the delay in the mandate and the libya case which the republicans lot of and the carbon emissions case that went up to the circuit court, they lot of every single case in any court of law they tried using and lot of everything in a court of public opinion. >> for him to say he is going against it is settled by the stream court. you are going after conservative supreme court with the law of the land. >> it's the point that you get down to with republican opposition with the president. it's not the specifics, but th
on air force one with presidents obama and bush. we've just learned a spokesman for former president carter also telling nbc he is going to south africa as part of the elders delegation. he will not be on air force one with the obamas. new today in politics, president obama is scheduled to speak this hour about u.s.-israeli relations in the current environment. part of a forum sponsored by the saban center at the brookings institute. other speakers include secretary of state john kerry, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. new today, the president is calling on congress to extend unemployment benefits set to expire on december 28th. >>. >> the nonpartisan congressional budget office predicted allowing them to expire will be a drag on economic growth next year. a report by the department of labor and my council of economic advisors estimated could cost businesses 240,000 jobs. and without the ability to feed their families or pay the bills, many people currently looking for work cog stop looking for good. >> republicans remain focused on obama care in their weekly address. here'
in south africa. this morning president obama, joined by first lady and former president george w. bush, laura bush, former secretary of state hillary clinton all left washington from andrews air force base on "air force one." president clinton and jimmy carter will be meeting them in south africa. president obama will be speaking at tomorrow's memorial service. nbc's ron allen live in soweto. ron, this is a gathering of the great, families, people of south africa all gathering. you have covered this so long. tell me about the emotions as people in south africa prepare? >>. >> reporter: it's an unbelievable atmosphere. we're across the street from the nelson mandela home, the home occupied from 1940s to 1990s. tomorrow is a day that will be unlike any other. there's more than 80 heads of state here. that will surpass the heads of state and world leaders who came to mourn and to say good-bye to pope john paul ii. largest gathering of heads of state outside of u.n. perhaps ever. we'll have to see how this day goes. and of course, there will be tens of thousands of people, perhaps millions
obama care. oh, no. they've taken over jeb bush. here are the facts. the united states is not closing its embassy to the vatican. all the u.s. is doing is moving to save money and increase security. it's not some secret plan to insult catholics. and now the gop group that started it all is backing down. i've got to say, i'm pretty disappointed. i really expect a lot more from gop conspiracy theories. did you think we wouldn't notice your lame attempt to manufacture a controversy? nice try, but we got you. out ri. out ri. i don't like the ups and downs of the market, but i can't just sit on my cash. i want to be prepared for the long haul. ishares minimum volatility etfs. investments designed for a smoother ride. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus, which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal. i have a cold with this annoying runny nose. [ sniffles ] i better take somet
personnel changes but i wouldn't hold my breath for them. like george bush, when barack obama is told washington thinks people on cable tv think he should do things, he's less inclined and to stick with the people he knews and management structure he's comfortable with. >> if you take a look at this team, if they weren't his good friends, would they have these jobs? are they the best there is? >> well, i think you could ask that about a lot of presidents. presidents need to have people around them who are loyal but they also need people around them who are capable. i think to some extent the proof is in the pudding in terms of the rollout and effectiveness of health care. there were constant meetings at the white house, is this ready, is this going okay? administration officials say they were assured it was, but there is something wrong in the management structure that allowed them to get these false assurances. what i would want to know if i were the president going forward, who is the person who's individual day to day job is making sure once jeff zienst leaves, who's job is getting
by president bush and more by president obama and the struggles with the economy and everything else. if you look at the polling, it shows a drop in support for democrats and the republicans have not been able to seize control of this. especially gay marriage and marriage equality. that is supported by the generation and for the republicans to take advantage of the opportunity that has been handed them, they will have to handle that really well. most on college campuses, you see here most of the republicans are much more supportive of the issue. it's not a threshold issue. it's critically important otherwise a wasted opportunity to seize support from folks who are looking for other opportunities to support different leaders. >> one thing that the president's reelection campaign benefitted from was turn out specifically about african-americans. they have the turn out machine for 2014. in terms of what will vote in 2013, whites 36%. hispanics 28%. african-americans 27% is down a lot from november of 2009. what do democrats have to do? can they rely on the get out the vote effort or do they hav
almost could. >> good evening. president obama now finds himself compared to president george w. bush, as in the problems with the health care plan have become president obama's katrina. >> but today, the website is now fixed enough that it looks like obama care is really here to stay. the repeal strategy is dead and obama care is out of the icu. according to the administration, the error message rate for the front end of the website is less than 1%. that's down from about 6% last month. the site can now handle 50,000 users at a time, 800,000 per day. keep in mind, at one point, the site could handle only about 1,000 users at a time. >> this website is and will function effectively for the vast majority of users. >> not only is the website functioning better, enrollment is up, too. over 100,000 people have successfully selected plans in the federal exchange in november alone, up from the nearly 27,000 who did so in october. during the first few weeks of november, california's same exchange enrolled more people in private plans than they did for the entire month of october. and in new
the money spent by bush administration and before this the obama administration, race to the top, all of the advancements we've been expecting, that american students have moved downward in these testings. we now rank below what we rank before. we're mid-range. actually rank below vietnam on math and reading scores. vietnam, which is not considered like shanghai and singapore, some other leading asian countries has now moved up. ron, you've studied a lot of this. you've covered all of these issues. what's going on here with our inability to make any headway on what is arguably a national security issue, the fact our kids are falling behind on math and science. >> you're exactly right. it is a national security issue. i would step back and put the education system in that big bucket of national institutions that are failing to adapt to the times. just like our other institutions letting us down right now. we have our leaders on the national and local level instead of getting together and figuring out what needs to be done, how do we modernize and transform our education system, they ar
-year extension that first came up in the 80s, passed by clinton and bush and eventually president obama most likely, which continues a government ban on these sort of plastic weapons that cannot be detected by metal detectors. what was the issue here, new york democratic charles schumer, he wanted more. he said that we should define a gun by having more metal parts. in order to try to avoid -- this is too lenient, if you have a 3d printer, you can make plastic parts that won't be detected. however, because democrats wanted to get this ban through, a lot of them withdrew their opposition of the united states house, so much so this was passed by a voice vote. it's very rare that anything in the u.s. how's is passed by a voice vote. you saw it. rob andrews, a democrat from new jersey, close to the house leadership. don't let the perfect get in the way of good. as we've seen this past year, tamron, anything that has to do with any semblance of gun control turns off a large faction of the house gop conference and more conservative groups and the nra has been quiet on this. they said this law, thi
both doing far better than president obama at this time. george w. bush was slightly lower at 37%. but this is the same president who it seemed could do no wrong when he was re-elected. ari often reminds me that in politics things can move very slow and they can also move very fast. >> only ari knows that? oh. >> and former white house adviser spoke to this on this week last week wanting it to move quickly. let's take a listen. >> people trust this president. i think there's been numbers all over the place. i'm confident in a few months from now those trust numbers are going to come up. i think his approval number will come up. >> that's obviously what every democrat wants. jon, it seems like this is a year the administration is wanting to put behind them very quickly. >> yeah, i mean -- well, if we had this conversation two months ago, two and a half months ago t would have been a very different conversation probably about the last year. it's just this last two months that have been very difficult for them. you know, i think a lot of the dancing on the right about the problems w
.7 million jobs. at the end of the bush years, the private sector was losing jobs month after month. lending and leading to fears of depression. but there wasn't a depression. in fact, president obama's stimulus helped jump start a recovery. we've now had 45 straight months of private sector growth. a remarkable turnaround. republicans were wrong about deregulation about president obama, wrong about the stimulus, and wrong about the minimum wage, unemployment benefits and cuts to the safety net. joining me are jared bernstein and randy weingarten. thank you both for being here. >> jared, i thought obama care was supposed to be a job killer. what happened here? >> i thought the way you put it was right. they're going to have to go for a new talking point. not only did we add 203,000 jobs last month in november, but if you look over the past 11 months just over the year 2013, we've averaged about 190,000 jobs per month. so the trend of the last couple of months has actually been a lasting one. the unemployment rate fell from 7.3% to 7%. sometimes when we've talked about declining unemployment
rose above 4.7%. there was a failing economy and uneven creation in 06 and 07 that kept george w. bush from recovering from the damage done to him politically by katrina and the iraq war. could the economy do for president obama and cure him from his health care ills? the director the moody's and specializing in macro economics and economic indicator. let me start with are things as rosy as they look going into 2014? >> things are looking better. they might be labeling things as rosy. they have a long way to go before it is healed. the mix of jobs is not what we like to see. a lot of jobs are being created in the industries and that's going to change in 2014. the stronger growth are falling into place. >> those conditions are what? that impact is fading and the job market is healing. the one wild card for 2014 will be conphi dechblts that's the one thing that has been the missing piece of this recovery. it has been the lack of confidence among consumers and businesses. that will spent more freely. there is a lot of pent up demand. >> is this issue all traced to washington and the budge
developing stories this afternoon. president obama and the first lady are headed to south africa, joining dozens of world leaders who will honor the late nelson mandela. the president is joined on air force one by former president george w. bush, his wife laura, and former secretary of state, hillary clinton. meanwhile, for families in newtown, some powerful public statements ahead of a painful anniversary. we will listen to their message in a few minutes. >>> also, signs of real steps towards recovery on friday. unemployment fell to its lowest rate since november 2008. white house officials say congress can build on these gains. and that brings us to our top story. president pushing congress to finish the deal on the budget. yes, the season for wheeling and dealing, and not just bargain hunting at the mal. washington lawmakers face their first test since house republicans backed off the government shutdown. that deal, of course, created a new economic deadline, a congressional budget by this friday. so both houses of congress looking to strike their first agreement since 2011. the last t
is where he was born. it's expected that jimmy carter, bush the elder, bush the younger, bill clinton and president obama will pay to south africa to pay their respects, to the extent that their health allows it. the scale of the memorial and burial is expected to match those of pope john paul, winston churchill and people of that magnitude. ran rather said he should be considered the greatest leader of the second half of the 21st century, that is how he's viewed around the world. his sature is something that few people have known. as the details emerge, we will bring them to you right here. now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >>> nelson mandela told his biographer, men come and go. i have come and i will go when my time comes. nelson mandela's time came today. >> i pledge to you with all my strength and ability to live up to your expectations. i am your servant. i don't come to you as
compound. it is expected that jimmy carter, bush the younger, bush the older, bill clinton and president obama will visit. dan rather just said that he should be considered the greatest leader of the second half of the 20th century. that is how he is viewed around the world. his stature in the world is something that few people have ever known in modern history let alone in history. as the details of the arrangements for the next few days emerge, we will bring them to you right hire. now it's time for the last word. >>> nelson mandela told his biographer men come and go,
he will be buried at his family compound. it is expected that jimmy carter, bush the younger, bush the older, bill clinton and president obama will visit. dan rather just said that he should be considered the greatest leader of the second half of the 20th century. that is how he is viewed around the world. his stature in the world is something that few people have ever known in modern history let alone in history. as the details of the arrangements for the next few days emerge, we will bring them to you right hire. now it's time for the last word. >>> nelson mandela told his biographer men come and go, i have come, and i will go when my time comes. nelson mandela's time came today. >> i pledge to use all my strength and ability to live up to expectations. i am your servant. i don't come to you as a leader. >> nelson mandela has departed this earth at the age of 95. >> the founding president has departed. >> the day he was released from prison gave me a sense of what human beings can do when they're guided by their hopes and not their fears. >> na is the man the world has been waiti
is the irony just being missed by republicans, that they used to want george w. bush to be extraordinarily power and now they don't like president obama being an uber, meaning awesome president? >> yeah, they were totally comfortable with president bush having wide-ranging executive -- far-reaching and you know, ground-breaking really executive power. this president not so much. but the thing that i find really fascinating too, and you'll remember, it started very early when he started appointing people and he had the -- what they were calling green jobs czars and other things. the czars, that was the initial. but they vacillate. they can't decide which attack they want to go with. he's either this like supreme dictatorial, you know, heavy handed leader, or he's totally feckless and leading from behind, and he's -- >> exactly. >> just observe ohhing his administration without actually taking part. so they go between these two extremes. basically finding any angle that they possibly can. to attack and undermine this president. >> james, i feel like we need to now hear from our dictatorial c
. >>> the obamas joining more than 50 world leaders paying tribute to nelson mandela tomorrow. president george w. bush and his wife will join them, president clinton and jimmy carter attending also. a big test for south africa's government as it plans the memorial expecting 94,000 people at fnb stadium where they had the world cup in 2010 and another 100,000 plus expected outside at overflow areas around the city. many details were worked out well in advance. politico is reporting the last-minute services are pretty daunting. concerns from the motorcade route to his safety once inside. meanwhile, sunday marked an official day of prayer across south africa. but in churches the scene was as much celebratory as mournful. other parts of the world, ukraine's president facing major unrest and a 48-hour deadline threat to disband his government. anti-government protesters yesterday toppled the stature of lenin. he's, of course, the founder of the soviet union, demonstrators took turns attacking the statue with hammers sort of reminiscent of the berlin wall falling in the early '90s and smashed it to pi
obama will travel to south africa along with former president george w. bush, former president clinton also going to attend the services there for nelson mandela. so, i think it is certainly going to be a historic turnout for laying a former leader to rest. also, when you look at president obama, he has some would call a special relationship with nelson mandela. he talks about the fact that his political act was to protest against apartheid. karen, back to you. >> thank you so much. go inside and get warm. >> reporter: thanks. >>> that does it for me. thanks so much for joining us. i'll see you back here tomorrow afternoon at 4:00. [ female announcer ] ladies and gentlemen i'm here to say a few words about the power of baking stuff with nestle toll house morsels. you can heal a broken heart with a bundt cake. make a monday mornin' feel like a friday afternoon with some nestle toll house morsels. let's close our laptops and open our ovens. these things don't bake themselves. we have to bake them for one another. we can bake the world a better place one toll house cookie at a time. nestl
a hero, but much closer to bill clinton and hillary clinton and barack obama than predecessors, but he reached across party lines and in the fact that george w. bush might not have done as much as he did and big events in contributions with his administration. not for the leadership to the foundation. bill clinton, ideologically, the deep discussions, do they see the parallel. >> they were political soul mates. bill clinton so identified with him and what he accomplished. he was a hero for people of clinton's age and my age and hillary clinton as much as white people as well. people of all color. he represented the good that could come out of struggles. >> let's go to the grio. joy, how impactful will nelson mandela be in american life moving forward? >> you know, ed, i think truly is one of the greatest citizens. stretching back to the 60s and 70s and into the 80s, the civil rights movement, the vietnam war and the antiwar movement and mandela movement on campuses and american kid who is had never been to the continent of africa, but identified with the suffering of 85% of that popula
. a slap in the face to catholic. americans. and former florida governor jeb bush tweeted, quote, why would our president close our embassy to the vatican? hopefully it is not retribution for catholic organizations opposing obama care. to be clear, the vatican embassy is not closing, never was going to close. it's moving to a new location that is ironically actually 1/10 mile closer to the vatican than the old building. while republicans are rejecting the vatican has it at all. thank you, both. i first heard this i was out in san francisco with my wife's family, and i hear, oh did you hear they're closing the vatican embassy? responds to, didn't even check the facts, just went with without source, fox, i don't know who it was. he says, is this just the derangement syndrome that everything the obama administration does it's another winston churchill bust that's been thrown out the window? >> well, most, but not all of the criticism is coming from the right. i mean, ray flynn was also among those who has been critical. >> who did he vote for? isn't he a scott friend guy? he's not exactly a de
. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. >>> president obama and first lady michelle on their way to south africa this morning to attend the memorial service for former south african president and anti-apartheid icon nelson mandela. former presidents jimmy carter, george w. bush and bill clinton, along with former secretary of state hillary clinton are also attending. the massive memorial service, perhaps the largest honestly in history scheduled for tuesday in johannesburg's fnb stadium where president obama is expected to sta speak. a funeral will be in nelson mandela's hometown. here's live pictures from south africa where a prayer service is being held at the nelson mandela foundation hosted by archbishop desmond tutu. >>> ron allen about a half hour away in soreto. >> reporter: yes, here we are across the street from the nelltnel nelson mandela family home. you can see there's a street party that continues on now for several days since mr. mandela's death was announced on thursday evening here. the street has been filling with marchers, with choirs,
. a tale of two americas, candidate obama vowed to heal a polarized nation but that is proving increasingly difficult. his first term ended by tieing jouj l george w. bush as the most polarizing year ever. look how far the lines really are. it's no surprise since over the past decade the nation's seen a rise in liberal democrats and conservative republicans, it's which way politics to the fringe or center. we search far and wide to find someone who knows politics and elected as a republican governor and served four presidents including one democrat named obama. and the only name we could come up with is huntsman. yes, that's my dad jon. welcome to "the cycle." we've banished luke to the remote camera so you can be surrounded by beautiful women, a man with five daughters -- >> i have to say, i've been at a lot of tables but never been so intimidated. and so honored, i have to tell you, it's a great treat to be with you. >> we love having your daughter as well. >> i came to see whether she's been naulgty or nice and tour'e isn't here to give me the straight scoop. >> he wishes he could be but
america's largest energy investor. our commitment has never been stronger. >>> president obama and first lady michelle obama are on their way to south africa for tomorrow's memorial for nelson mandela. they left this morning on air force one along with former president george w. bush, laura bush, and hillary clinton. bill clinton's traveling separately from rio and jimmy carter will join them in johannesburg as well. only the second time in history that the current president and three former ones are together on foreign soil. also making the trip, texas republican senator ted cruz. senate democrats were asked not to go because of their busy legislative calendar this week. on the house side, aaron schock is leading a 24-member delegation. many of those members are for the congressional black caucus. president obama will speak tomorrow at the service which you can watch right here on msnbc beginning at 4:00 a.m. eastern. that's tomorrow in the morning. we'll be right back after this. d over the taste of starbucks house blend? not that we like tooting our own horn but... ♪ toot toot. [ ma
. am for him. george h.w. bush had to get george w. bush to fire john sununu because he couldn't do it. i think obama. my own sense and john has forgotten more about this than i know, my sense is that if you become president when you are 45, 46-years-old and you've had the background obama had personally, you are probably pretty confident in your judgment. >> i would say one other thing after five years. we are now at the five 84 mark, i got the same people. they're tired. >> i think i got a lot of energy. i was pretty tired after two years. i think that's one of the issues which worries me. you know, this is america. you do get tired. >> working is such a trial. that's an issue. >> seven days a week. >> it's a greened none of us can understand. you can't understand it until you walk through those gates. no one can understand it. mark mcken none said it. i think to robert gibbs, he was walking n. februarys was out. he basically said, welcome to hell. here are the kids. >> remember that evening we had with him when he was talking about the incoming, he literally could not find words to
obama and the first lady are in route to south africa where nearly 90 world leaders are expected to attend tomorrow's memorial service for nelson mandela. also on air force one, former president george w. bush, his wife laura and former secretary of state hillary clinton. former presidents bill clinton and jimmy carter are traveling separately. the only living president not able to attend george h.w. bush, at 89 can no longer travel such a long distance. it will be held in soweto where nelson mandela made his final public appearance in 2010. ron, you have half of the world's leaders gathering, that stadium seats 95,000. it is an open air and presented significant challenges security wise. >> reporter: yes, there's perhaps not been an event like this ever, dare i say, the most comparable is the funeral of pope john paul ii in 2005 where there was 3 million people and 75 or 80 world leaders who attended. this is going to be an amazing day tomorrow. there's a lot of anticipation already. behind me you can hear people in the streets here still singing and dancing and sell bragt the l
... will power us all... into the future. ♪ >>> the obamas leave for south africa to join 50 world leaders to pay tribute to nelson mandela. george bush and his wife will join them aboard air force one. bill clinton and jimmy carter are set to attend as well. it's a big test for africa's government as they plan the memorial. 94,000 people are expected at fnb stadium home to the world cup final in 2010. 100,000 more expected in the area at overflow sports centers while many details were worked out well in advance politico reporting the last minute logistics for the secret service are daunting. the president's security won't have control over access and there are concerns on everything from the motorcade route to his safety once inside. meanwhile, sunday marked an official day of prayer across south africa but in church the scene was as remember celebratory as it was mournful. and a week after the deadly commuter train wreck in new york, officials are upgrading signals on the curve where the crash occurred. new signals are expected to be up and running this morning. four people were killed last sun
. >> pretty savage on bill clinton as much so as on barack obama. >> remember how al gore handled his defeat and the way supreme court addressed that issue and got the presidency for george w. bush. that's how our constitution works. al gore went out there and basically accepted that without complaint. al gore accepted the fact and then he won by 600,000 votes that w. was president. there were no legal challenges. there is an asymmetry between the hard right and the left. to say they are the same not true. >> there's an extraordinary speech by al gore that night and many observers thought if al gore had spoken that way over the campaign he probably would have won that election. >> if he had richard goodwin throughout the campaign instead of the concession speech it would have helped. >> we'll talk about the interview tonight. good luck. >> i hope i can do my job. katty, what's next? >> coming up, we'll have more here on "morning joe" with the economist which is looking into its krystal ball for the year ahead. we'll break down the magazine's predictions from music industry to president obama
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